Basically it does the same as the phantom grip etc in that it uses friction to create the LSD effect. You are very correct in saying that there is no comparison between the geared type and all other types of pseudo LSD.
I never tried to compare the two I just explained the different types. Post by Rudman » Thu Oct 27, pm I wouldn't tell too many people that, why would u keep using it after the second one failed? Get a DNA test u might have an extra chrosome. Post by krack korn » Thu Oct 27, pm Also W2J the phantom grip etc press against the side gears that's the name I couldn't remember before not the spider gears. It is essentially an ingenious engineering rig that happens to work exceptionally well in a straight line.
It does not work well in corners since it cannot mimmic an LSD's function I'll leave the technical jargon alone Post by Polydor » Thu Oct 27, pm Take win krack korn I hope the next time you need another set of pistons in your engine you replace it with nuts and bolts Clearly you're the LSD king Polydor.
Post by krack korn » Fri Oct 28, am P. You both kno your stuff. Post by southside crew » Fri Oct 28, pm you all noticed that vtwin car is on that site.. BTW what ever happened to that car????? Also W2J the phantom grip etc press against the side gears that's the name I couldn't remember before not the spider gears. Polydor won't like that! Anyway u all can see a pic of the device there, anybody see any Disks?
Don't believe the description of everything u sell. I have seen many manufacturer errors this is only one. Post by WarriorPoet » Tue Nov 01, pm AYYY seeing as you all discussing this LSD transmission tell me something in real terms what does this mean in terms of power if i understand better you get good traction as gears will make up for slippage on road surface but what does it do to performance no need to fight fellas plenty of questions to go around.
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Accept Learn more…. I asked about them once and was told "They work so well it's like they're not even there". That's a bit different than what I've read and heard. It was more "phantom" than "grip", IIRC. Lets just say that it is better than nothing, but not as good as a true gear-driven limited slip differential.
The VW guys add pre-load to their differential gears to achieve similar results and it helps them enough to make it worthwhile to do. If your tearing the diff all apart, spend a few bucks on something that works. I am not really sure. The Phantom Grip sounds like a mutant stage hand that fights Wolverine in an upcoming Origins movie. It increases the preload on the open differential, making both wheels slightly less likely to freewheel.
I don't see a lot of benefit to it. It's pretty useless. You can ever so slightly feel it when driving on snow, and barely pressing the gas. But get on it hard and it will do a nice one wheel peal for dayzzz. Like Tommy's dad told me - the phantom part comes from the fact that you don't know if it is going to work and for how long.
As said, it is better than nothing. I have had one for some 60k miles. A quick look at an installed Phantom Grip Limited Slip insert shows how small the axle gear to limited slip insert contact surface must be. Diagram 3 above makes a big case for what shows up below. You notice that in the gears that are attached to the axle, the gears are sloped downward, while the Phantom Grip plate is flat.
In the following picture, Diagram 4, you can see that the theoretical surface area of contact for the Phantom Grip limited slip insert on the tapered gear that is fixed to the axle in green is miniscule. The drawing below is not to scale in any sort of way, so the angle of contact may be more or less shallow, but it illustrates just how much different the Phantom Grip Limited Slip insert is from a real Clutch Type limited slip.
It may now be obvious how metal shavings will most likely wind up in your oil using the Phantom Grip. So with that, we come to the end of this post. A few unknowns are left for me to ponder, such as the actual, real contact area the Phantom grip has in a normal Honda open diff, and also what exactly the spring pressure is in the limited slip insert.
But first, a picture for reference: Diagram 1: This is a basic layout image of a FWD Clutch Type LSD Powered by Adsense Deluxe Revived A Clutch-Type Limited slip differential works by using a high friction clamping surface orange in color , sometimes many plates with high friction surfaces, to resist independent motion of the gears fixed to the axles in green , and thus causes the front wheels to spin at the same speed.
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